dvd-rw branden gaat fout

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ik heb een probleem met het branden van een dvd rw en het branden van een recordable gaat gewoon goed

ik gebruik nero 9

ik paste hieronder het log bestand misschien kan iemand me vertellen wat het allemaal betekend en me kan vertellen wat het probleem is en of het op te lossen is:


Code:
Windows Vista 6.1
AMD64
Wow64Process
WinAspi: -

NT-SPTI used
Nero Version: 9.4.13.100
Internal Version: 9, 4, 13, 100

Recorder:             <MAT****A DVD-RAM UJ8B0AW>Version: 1.00 - HA 1 TA 0 - 9.4.13.100
 Adapter driver:      <Serial ATA>              HA 1
 Drive buffer  :      1024kB
 Bus Type      :      via Inquiry data
 Connected to MMC as unknown drive with class-nr : 1
 Drive is autodetected - recorder class: Std. MMC recorder
CD-ROM:               <MAT****A DVD-RAM UJ8B0AW >Version: 1.00 - HA 1 TA 0 - 9.4.13.100
 Adapter driver:      <Serial ATA>              HA 1

=== Scsi-Device-Map ===
DiskPeripheral       : TOSHIBA MK3259GSXP              iaStor Port 0 ID 0  DMA: On 
CdRomPeripheral      : MAT****A DVD-RAM UJ8B0AW        iaStor Port 0 ID 1  DMA: Off

=== CDRom-Device-Map ===
MAT****A DVD-RAM UJ8B0AW   D:   CdRom0
=======================

AutoRun : 1
Excluded drive IDs: 
WriteBufferSize: 83886080 (0) Byte
BUFE           : 0
Physical memory     : 2923MB (2994032kB)
Free physical memory: 1161MB (1188920kB)
Memory in use       : 60 %
Uncached PFiles: 0x0
Global Bus Type: default (0)
Check supported media : Disabled (0) 

26.10.2012
UDF/ISO-compilatie
14:21:12	#1 Text 0 File SCSIPTICommands.cpp, Line 430
	LockMCN - completed sucessfully for IOCTL_STORAGE_MCN_CONTROL
	
14:21:13	#2 Phase 112 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1767
	DVD-Video files reallocation started
	
14:21:13	#3 Phase 114 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1767
	DVD-Video files reallocation completed (no file modified)
	
14:21:13	#4 Text 0 File Isodoc.cpp, Line 6998
	UDF document burn settings
	------------------------------------------
	Determine maximum speed : TRUE
	Simulate                : FALSE
	Write                   : TRUE
	Finalize CD             : TRUE
	Multisession            : FALSE
	Burning mode            : DAO
	Mode                    : 1
	UDF Mode                : UDF/ISO bridge
	UDF Options             : automatic
	UDF Revision            : 1.02
	UDF Partition Type      : physical
	ISO Level               : 1 (Max. of 11 = 8 + 3 char)
	Character set           : ISO 9660
	Joliet                  : FALSE
	Allow pathdepth more than 8 directories : TRUE
	Allow more than 255 characters in path  : TRUE
	Write ISO9660 ;1 file extensions        : TRUE
	
14:21:13	#5 Phase 111 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1767
	DVD-Video files sorted
	
14:21:13	#6 ISO9660GEN -11 File Geniso.cpp, Line 3327
	First writeable address = 0 (0x00000000)
	
14:21:13	#7 ISO9660GEN -11 File Geniso.cpp, Line 3327
	First writeable address = 0 (0x00000000)
	
14:21:13	#8 Text 0 File Burncd.cpp, Line 3572
	Turn on Disc-At-Once, using DVD media
	
14:21:13	#9 ISO9660GEN -11 File Geniso.cpp, Line 3327
	First writeable address = 0 (0x00000000)
	
14:21:13	#10 ISO9660GEN -11 File Geniso.cpp, Line 3327
	First writeable address = 0 (0x00000000)
	
14:21:13	#11 Text 0 File Cdrdrv.cpp, Line 10168
	---- Disc Structure: Physical Format Information of Control Data Zone in the Lead-in (10h) ----
	Media Type: 0, Layer: 0, Address: 0 (0 h), AGID: 0; Length: 2050
	 Book Type: DVD-RW (3), Part Version: 1.1x (2)
	 Disc Size: 120 mm,      Maximum Transfer Rate: <not specified> (F h)
	 Number of Layers: 1,    Track Path: Parallel Track Path (PTP),  Layer Type: recordable
	 Linear Density:         0,267 um/bit,  Track Density:  0,74 um/track
	 Starting Physical Sector Number of Data Area: 30000 h (DVD-ROM, DVD-R/-RW, DVD+R/+RW)
	 Outer Limit of Data Recordable Area:          26127F h
	 Data in Burst Cutting Area (BCA) exist
	  Revision number of maximum recording speed: -
	  Revision number of minimum recording speed: -
	  Revision number table of recording speed: - - - - - - - 
	  Class: 0,  Extended part version: 0
	  Start PSN of the Extra Border Zone: 2FE10 h
	  Start PSN of Physical format information blocks in Extra Border Zone: 2FFA0 h
	 Media Specific [16..783]:
	    80 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00    ................
	    00 02 FE 10 00 02 FF A0 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00    ................
	    00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00    ................
	    00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00    ................
	    00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00    ................
	    00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00    ................
	    00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00    ................
	    00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00    ................
	    00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00    ................
	    00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00    ................
	    00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00    ................
	    00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00    ................
	    00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00    ................
	    00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00    ................
	    00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00    ................
	    00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00    ................
	    00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00    ................
	    00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00
	
14:21:14	#12 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 313
	Last possible write address on media:  2297887
	Last address to be written:            2277423
	
14:21:14	#13 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 325
	Write in overburning mode: NO (enabled: CD)
	
14:21:14	#14 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 2843
	Recorder: MAT****A DVD-RAM UJ8B0AW, Media type: DVD-RW
	 Disc Manufacturer ID: <RITEKW> <01>
	 Disc Application Code: 64, Disc Physical Code: 214
	
14:21:14	#15 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 500
	>>> Protocol of DlgWaitCD activities: <<<
	=========================================
	
14:21:14	#16 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 739
	Setup items (after recorder preparation)
	 0: TRM_DATA_MODE1 ()
	    2 indices, index0 (150) not provided
	    original disc pos #0 + 2277424 (2277424) = #2277424/506:5.49
	    relocatable, disc pos for caching/writing not required/ required
	    -> TRM_DATA_MODE1, 2048, config 0, wanted index0 0 blocks, length 2277424 blocks [D: MAT****A DVD-RAM UJ8B0AW]
	--------------------------------------------------------------
	
14:21:14	#17 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 941
	Prepare [D: MAT****A DVD-RAM UJ8B0AW] for write in CUE-sheet-DAO
	DAO infos:
	==========
	 MCN: ""
	 TOCType: 0x00; Session Closed, disc fixated
	 Tracks 1 to 1:                                  Idx 0         Idx 1      Next Trk
	   1: TRM_DATA_MODE1, 2048/0x00, FilePos             0             0    4664164352, ISRC ""
	DAO layout:
	===========
	 ___Start_|____Track_|_Idx_|_CtrlAdr_|_____Size_|______NWA_|_RecDep__________
	        0 |  lead-in |   0 |    0x41 |        0 |        0 | 0x00
	        0 |        1 |   0 |    0x41 |        0 |        0 | 0x00
	        0 |        1 |   1 |    0x41 |  2277424 |        0 | 0x00
	  2277424 | lead-out |   1 |    0x41 |        0 |        0 | 0x00
	
14:21:14	#18 Text 0 File SCSIPTICommands.cpp, Line 217
	SPTILockVolume - completed successfully for FSCTL_LOCK_VOLUME
	
14:21:14	#19 Text 0 File Burncd.cpp, Line 4279
	Caching options: cache CDRom or Network-Yes, small files-No (<64KB)
	
14:21:14	#20 Phase 24 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1767
	Caching of files started
	
14:21:14	#21 Text 0 File Burncd.cpp, Line 4401
	Cache writing successful.
	
14:21:14	#22 Phase 25 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1767
	Caching of files completed
	
14:21:14	#23 Phase 28 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1767
	Speed measurement started
	
14:21:14	#24 Text 0 File Cdrdrv.cpp, Line 10168
	---- Disc Structure: Physical Format Information of Control Data Zone in the Lead-in (10h) ----
	Media Type: 0, Layer: 0, Address: 0 (0 h), AGID: 0; Length: 2050
	 Book Type: DVD-RW (3), Part Version: 1.1x (2)
	 Disc Size: 120 mm,      Maximum Transfer Rate: <not specified> (F h)
	 Number of Layers: 1,    Track Path: Parallel Track Path (PTP),  Layer Type: recordable
	 Linear Density:         0,267 um/bit,  Track Density:  0,74 um/track
	 Starting Physical Sector Number of Data Area: 30000 h (DVD-ROM, DVD-R/-RW, DVD+R/+RW)
	 Outer Limit of Data Recordable Area:          26127F h
	 Data in Burst Cutting Area (BCA) exist
	  Revision number of maximum recording speed: -
	  Revision number of minimum recording speed: -
	  Revision number table of recording speed: - - - - - - - 
	  Class: 0,  Extended part version: 0
	  Start PSN of the Extra Border Zone: 2FE10 h
	  Start PSN of Physical format information blocks in Extra Border Zone: 2FFA0 h
	 Media Specific [16..783]:
	    80 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00    ................
	    00 02 FE 10 00 02 FF A0 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00    ................
	    00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00    ................
	    00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00    ................
	    00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00    ................
	    00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00    ................
	    00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00    ................
	    00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00    ................
	    00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00    ................
	    00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00    ................
	    00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00    ................
	    00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00    ................
	    00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00    ................
	    00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00    ................
	    00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00    ................
	    00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00    ................
	    00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00    ................
	    00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00
	
14:21:14	#25 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 2695
	Verifying disc position of item 0 (relocatable, disc pos, no patch infos, orig at #0): write at #0
	
14:21:14	#26 Text 0 File ThreadedTransfer.cpp, Line 273
	Pipe memory size 590400
	
14:24:10	#27 Text 0 File WriterStatus.cpp, Line 245
	<D: MAT****A DVD-RAM UJ8B0AW> start writing Lead-Out at LBA 2277424 (22C030h), length 0 blocks
	
14:24:10	#28 Phase 29 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1716
	Speed measurement completed: 18.7x (25.888 kB/sec)
	
14:24:10	#29 Phase 36 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1767
	Burn process started at 2x (2.770 kB/sec)
	
14:24:10	#30 Text 0 File Cdrdrv.cpp, Line 10168
	---- Disc Structure: Physical Format Information of Control Data Zone in the Lead-in (10h) ----
	Media Type: 0, Layer: 0, Address: 0 (0 h), AGID: 0; Length: 2050
	 Book Type: DVD-RW (3), Part Version: 1.1x (2)
	 Disc Size: 120 mm,      Maximum Transfer Rate: <not specified> (F h)
	 Number of Layers: 1,    Track Path: Parallel Track Path (PTP),  Layer Type: recordable
	 Linear Density:         0,267 um/bit,  Track Density:  0,74 um/track
	 Starting Physical Sector Number of Data Area: 30000 h (DVD-ROM, DVD-R/-RW, DVD+R/+RW)
	 Outer Limit of Data Recordable Area:          26127F h
	 Data in Burst Cutting Area (BCA) exist
	  Revision number of maximum recording speed: -
	  Revision number of minimum recording speed: -
	  Revision number table of recording speed: - - - - - - - 
	  Class: 0,  Extended part version: 0
	  Start PSN of the Extra Border Zone: 2FE10 h
	  Start PSN of Physical format information blocks in Extra Border Zone: 2FFA0 h
	 Media Specific [16..783]:
	    80 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00    ................
	    00 02 FE 10 00 02 FF A0 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00    ................
	    00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00    ................
	    00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00    ................
	    00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00    ................
	    00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00    ................
	    00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00    ................
	    00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00    ................
	    00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00    ................
	    00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00    ................
	    00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00    ................
	    00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00    ................
	    00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00    ................
	    00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00    ................
	    00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00    ................
	    00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00    ................
	    00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00    ................
	    00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00
	
14:24:10	#31 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 2695
	Verifying disc position of item 0 (relocatable, disc pos, no patch infos, orig at #0): write at #0
	
14:24:10	#32 Text 0 File DVDR.cpp, Line 3284
	Recording mode: Sequential Recording Mode
	
14:24:10	#33 Text 0 File DVDR.cpp, Line 3438
	Start write address at LBA 0
	DVD high compatibility mode: Yes
	
14:24:10	#34 Text 0 File Cdrdrv.cpp, Line 10168
	---- Disc Structure: Physical Format Information (00h) ----
	Media Type: 0, Layer: 0, Address: 0 (0 h), AGID: 0; Length: 2050
	 Book Type: DVD-RW (3), Part Version: 1.1x (2)
	 Disc Size: 120 mm,      Maximum Transfer Rate: <not specified> (F h)
	 Number of Layers: 1,    Track Path: Parallel Track Path (PTP),  Layer Type: recordable
	 Linear Density:         0,267 um/bit,  Track Density:  0,74 um/track
	 Starting Physical Sector Number of Data Area: 30000 h (DVD-ROM, DVD-R/-RW, DVD+R/+RW)
	 Outer Limit of Data Recordable Area:          30000 h
	 Data in Burst Cutting Area (BCA) exist
	  Revision number of maximum recording speed: -
	  Revision number of minimum recording speed: -
	  Revision number table of recording speed: - - - - - - - 
	  Class: 0,  Extended part version: 0
	  Start PSN of the Extra Border Zone: 0 h
	  Start PSN of Physical format information blocks in Extra Border Zone: 0 h
	 Media Specific [16..783]:
	    80 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00    ................
	    00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00    ................
	    00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00    ................
	    00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00    ................
	    00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00    ................
	    00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00    ................
	    00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00    ................
	    00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00    ................
	    00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00    ................
	    00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00    ................
	    00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00    ................
	    00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00    ................
	    00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00    ................
	    00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00    ................
	    00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00    ................
	    00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00    ................
	    00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00    ................
	    00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00    .
	
14:24:11	#35 Text 0 File DVDR.cpp, Line 3576
	Reserved Track size: 2277424 (22C030h, 4448MB) -> return code 0
	
14:24:11	#36 Text 0 File ThreadedTransfer.cpp, Line 273
	Pipe memory size 83836800
	
14:24:17	#37 SPTI -1 File SCSIPassThrough.cpp, Line 215
	CdRom0: SCSIStatus(x02) WinError(0) NeroError(-1)
	CDB Data:   0x2A 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 20 00 00 00 
	Sense Key:  0x04 (KEY_HARDWARE_ERROR)
	Sense Code: 0x03
	Sense Qual: 0x01
	Sense Area: 0x71 00 04 00 00 00 00 0A 00 32 00 13 03 01 
	Buffer x190b0040: Len x10000
	0x00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 
	0x00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 
	0x00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 
	
14:24:17	#38 CDR -1 File Writer.cpp, Line 306
	Unspecified Recorder Error
	D: MAT****A DVD-RAM UJ8B0AW
	
14:24:17	#39 Phase 181 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1767
	Writing lead-out...
	
14:24:17	#40 Text 0 File DVDR.cpp, Line 3843
	EndDAO: Last written address was -1 (FFFFFFFFh)Estimated time for 30mm Borders: 6min 44sec
	
14:24:17	#41 Text 0 File DVDPlusDualLayer.cpp, Line 1452
	SetDriveCaps: Set LAST LBA of layer 1 to 0
	
14:24:17	#42 Phase 38 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1767
	Burn process failed at 2x (2.770 kB/sec)
	
14:24:17	#43 Text 0 File SCSIPTICommands.cpp, Line 267
	SPTIDismountVolume - completed successfully for FSCTL_DISMOUNT_VOLUME
	
14:24:20	#44 Text 0 File Cdrdrv.cpp, Line 11478
	DriveLocker: UnLockVolume completed
	
14:24:20	#45 Text 0 File SCSIPTICommands.cpp, Line 430
	UnLockMCN - completed sucessfully for IOCTL_STORAGE_MCN_CONTROL
 
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"Unspecified Recorder Error" gein, staat dus niets over in.
Is het te branden bestand niet net te groot? wordt soms fout aangegeven bij een rw, die heeft zelf wat meer ruimte nodig voor de lead in en out.
Ook een ander merk geprobeerd?
Zat dacht ik ook een testtool in Nero om dvd's van te voren te testen.
 
ik heb het ook al geprobeerd met een kleine dvd maar de fout treed al op in de beginfase bij nero staat hij bij actie nog op lead in
 
Lastig, in de logboeken bij systeem kijken of er iets over te vinden is, uitvoeren eventvwr.

Indien het alleen bij die rw's gebeurd en op kleine maar niet op de w's, zit het dan toch niet in de gebruikte media?

Met een ander brand progje kijken of je hetzelfde krijgt.
http://www.burn4free.com/
 
dit proggie geeft de volgende fout


15:47:49 - Internal ASPI for DATA
15:47:49 - Internal ASPI for AUDIO
15:47:49 - 0:1:0,D: MAT****A DVD-RAM UJ8B0AW 1.00 - D:
15:47:49 - Klaar
15:51:20 - Totaal aantal bestanden/mappen ( 0 )
15:51:20 - Totale grootte 0 KB
15:52:27 - Totaal aantal bestanden/mappen ( 22 )
15:52:27 - Totale grootte 4,25 GB
15:53:21 - Bezig bestanden/mappen (22) toe te voegen...
15:53:21 - Voorbereiden
15:53:21 - Toevoegen bestanden/mappen gereed
15:53:21 - Branden van de data starten 4.353,56 MByte
15:53:21 - Branden van de data op 0:1:0,D: MAT****A DVD-RAM UJ8B0AW 1.00
15:53:21 - Starten van het branden op DVD RWSR bij 2 X
15:54:50 - Hardware Error 29443 Burner Error Aborting
15:54:55 - Branden van de data beeindigd met fout : "Hardware Error 9216"
 
het is een brander van de laptop zal waarschijnlijk niet makkelijk te vervangen zijn
 
Hoe kon je dan wel die writable branden?

Tis 1 schroefje meestal om de caddy ervan los te maken, drive in de caddy even eraf en erop plaatsten zou kunnen helpen.
 
ik kan zonder problemen normale recordables branden dat is juist het vreemde.
zijn de branders voor in een laptop dan los verkrijgbaar? en dat ze ook nog in mijn laptop passen?
 
Maare, al een andere merk RW geprobeerd? Verbatim of zo.
Voor elke lap is wel een vervangende DVD drive te vinden de vraag is of het daar wel aan ligt.
 
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